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explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts lost world

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports Wow I don't know if I should

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look up for UFOs or down for goes

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it's a weird universe I know but to be

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confronted by both mysteries at the same

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time is all inspiring and possibly even

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frightening and dangerous at the same

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time well that shouldn't bother you too

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much you've been confronted by the

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unknown since you were a youngster now

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me I take this all calm and cool like a

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good researcher should well why are you

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shivering then it's not that cold down

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here in the quantity cellar once we get

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down these rickety old stairs and that's

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the way how those cobwebs which I'm

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allergic to it and turn on all the

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flashlights we're carrying and all the

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gear all your fears will dissolve I

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promised them it will dissolve are you

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sure about that don't look beside you

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but there's a shadowy figure following

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us around and he doesn't look too

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friendly I wish we were back in the case

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you are Studios yeah you're just chicken

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we'll never we'll never make it as a big

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league parapsychologist like our special

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guest tonight has well that's it

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let's get let's get back to the studio

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then if you're going to be such solar

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such a frightened kitty cat I'm hearing

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ghostly music alright well we're back in

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the studio Tim thank heavens yeah well I

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don't know I I didn't say I didn't think

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it was that spooky I mean the shadowy

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are you sure that shadowy figure isn't

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the IRA well let's not talk about that

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hey you know we got a great show coming

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up this evening and one of my favorite

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parapsychologist whom we both agree we

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met many many years ago but the location

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of our meeting varies I don't know I I

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remember this being here in New York and

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Barry says it was in Venice well I'm not

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sure about that but I do know that it

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involved a case that we were both

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investigating at the time and I know

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that because I just came across the

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particulars and this week Tim you and I

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were working on putting this book

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together alien strongholds on earth and

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and there's a chapter in there about the

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Superstition Mountains it's one of the

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places we recommend actually that people

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don't go hunting for UFOs because a lot

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of people disappear they're looking for

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the Lost Dutchman mind and they end up

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being abducted by UFOs and their life

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was never the same in fact the case

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Brian Scott who apparently was very

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sincere and he had a lot of weird a

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channeling and he even had his bed

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caught on fire one evening through some

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sort of fireball of phenomena but why

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don't you officially introduce our guest

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and now Tim and we can carry on with the

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conversation well certainly be my

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pleasure tonight we have with us dr.

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TAF who is a world-renowned

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associate now during his four decade

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career dr. Taff has investigated more

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than 4,500 cases of ghost hauntings

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poltergeists and conducted extensive

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protocols and mythology's for what was

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later termed remote viewing now in one

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of his cases dr. Taff investigated in

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1974 now this gained international fame

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entity starring Barbara Hershey and Ron

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silver and was released by Fox in 1983

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on the entity as well as being

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represented in the film by the character

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Jean craft what's unknown by the media

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now dr. Taff has consulted for

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the National Security Agency dr. Taff

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those movies by the way and he's also

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author of the book one of my favorite

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books it's the book that I I keep in my

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personal library all the time aliens

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above ghosts below so dr. Barry Taff

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thank you very much for being with us

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tonight on exploring the bizarre it's my

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pleasure to be here I've been looking

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audience in on this what exactly is a

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parapsychologist now I was just the

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colleges or universities that had

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classes or any kind of degrees in

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parapsychology anymore is that correct

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our operative and there were a couple

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other schools and offered classes we

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long ago but a parapsychologist is in

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longitudinal data and if you look deeply

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environment you will see the patterns so

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experimental ability suddenly and it was

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in an auto Krueger was in it a good film

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writer and then Lily's married and had

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that's the right word but she can't

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became a spokesman for like a life after

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death well she had a lot of interests

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regression of things like that it all

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now in my personal opinion the worst

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mistake she made in this field was she

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stunning was not the product of anything

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paranormal as far as we could determine

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meaning science could determine it

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provides know the Russians the Russians

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were big on that but also yeah dr. Craig

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and there was a fellow who had a huge

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collection that kirlyam you know a

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photograph so you could get out yeah you

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get on the boat watch this and they left

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few offices let's go for the next dog or

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something like many many years ago yeah

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forty years ago Kirlian photography was

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interesting so when it docked er Maus

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met a man named Kendall Johnson and

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he built a curlier device he brought it

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in the lab and they started

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experimenting with it and they built

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better and better ones and bigger ones

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and more a more uniquely operational and

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different they could adjust the

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parameters the electrical discharge and

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I said wait a minute

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I this is what you think it is and I

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brought in an old Tesla coil I had I

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hooked it up to a conductive plate and

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put it an acrylic sheet over it so you

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don't burn yourself I said this is what

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you're doing and I said it's you know

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Corona discharge photography it is that

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she published lots of papers but her

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academic her academic background was in

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clinical psychology it was an

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environmental engineering or

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electrophysiology or biophysics and she

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began also her career at UCLA was as a

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clinical psychologist so she had

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patients and you'll also have to publish

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articles in your friends which was

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pudendal site and it was interesting

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that she spent a lot of time working

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with me when I first met her they did a

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study on me that was published in a

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medical journal in the mid 70s and so

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the study proved that I was

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telepathically precognitive okay how why

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we don't know but it worked and it

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worked better than we thought it would

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that took up a lot of time instead of

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continuing with more of the ESP research

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she got sidetracked and the Kirlian work

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which didn't help her they the staff of

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UCLA's neuropsychiatric Medical

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Institute didn't like her because she

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was an entrepreneur she was a person out

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of the box she was a creative individual

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and they want you to be a you know

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nuttin bulb to do the same thing every

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day abla and she wasn't following that

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but and it cost her her career on me she

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was promoted from an assistant professor

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to an associate professor which is what

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you're supposed to do but at the same

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time she was made at adjunct professor

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so was one step forward two steps

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backwards and she left UCLA

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I think like in 1978 II or something

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like that and had private practice and

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then she became ill and passed away and

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I think the late 90s and she was just a

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year younger than my mom so she was like

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you know being like I'd be like with my

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mom although my mom wasn't like her it

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was interesting

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after the study was done on me dr. Moss

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a man named dr. Herbert 'evil off and

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there was another graduates to working

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with them the study was done to self dr.

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Moss called to talk to my parents my

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father wasn't around but my mom was and

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dr. Moss said you know Barry's really

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intelligence got a high IQ T very gifted

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psychic and she said are you talking

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about Barry and dr. Moss said to my

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mother you have any other children no

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yes I'm talking about Barry he's crazy

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you don't know what he's talking about

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all this weird stuff going on around him

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and we don't want to talk about it but

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there was one thing I've been able to do

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my whole life that's as easy for me to

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do is looking at a page on my computer I

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am what's called the medical intuitive

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and in the study done on me started in

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69 ran through what 72 to conduct it

353
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there was clear evidence of that where I

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was able to perceive what the person was

355
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healing at a distance and and now it's

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gotten to the point where I could look

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at someone I've never seen I don't know

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even sometimes photographs and I can

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culture them what's wrong with them if

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they're in front of me it's really vivid

361
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I'm an example of that was in 2014 I met

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a woman online look like a young Joan

363
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Collins Beauty beyond compare my

364
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stunning and looking at her picture

365
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Angela Wow and I got this you know she's

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not very healthy but she looks beautiful

367
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so we finally spoke some time later and

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I said to her look I have to ask you

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this you don't want to respond I

370
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understand and I said to her you know I

371
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kind of feeling you you're not that

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healthy you got a lot of medical

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problems in a rail off what I felt I

374
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said you know that

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your photographs we've never met

376
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perhaps beep simply because I don't want

377
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to get sick around her uh the last real

378
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girlfriend I had I met through a friend

379
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of a friend of a friend

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and she looked like a short joan

381
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severance the actor the actor decorous

382
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anyway we were going out and everything

383
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was okay and the suddenly I started

384
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feeling sick around her and her name was

385
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Judy and I said Judy look I I can't see

386
00:18:49,150 --> 00:18:47,360
you anymore wife's well he's got a

387
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couple of problems in there killing me

388
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just what well if you have the early

389
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onset of menopause she was a couple used

390
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a couple of years younger to me and then

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it's a you have a prolapsed mitral valve

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and it's she's what what what a

393
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prolapsed mitral valve how do you know

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that I said I'm sitting next to you and

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so this has been a problem I've had my

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whole life I'm a web site there's a

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lengthy article web sites barry taff

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nephew WWF net one of the better stories

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I wrote rights to an article was called

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a different kind of psyching being a

401
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medical intuitive I get into a lot of

402
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this and the question is what am i doing

403
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and how am i doing it and other people

404
00:19:44,980 --> 00:19:41,240
can do this some people could learn to

405
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do it others cannot and it cost me a lot

406
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of friends and acquaintance ships and

407
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relationships

408
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now do you pick this up do you pick this

409
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up like psychically by by sitting next

410
00:20:02,500 --> 00:19:57,080
to a person or you can you actually see

411
00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:02,510
inside their body both alright okay an

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example I this is when the Dark Knight

413
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came out the second Batman movie in the

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Dark Knight trilogy so I went to

415
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screening at a theater near me I met an

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old friend there I've known since UCLA

417
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days you know you know we strove

418
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separately so we sit down the movie

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starts selling my bladder feels burning

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and crab big horrible pain hey what's

421
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,760
going on it's like I don't have this

422
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kind of

423
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and my girl got a call from her daughter

424
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and had a lease was it important I

425
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couldn't help her so she left I stayed

426
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behind as soon as she was gone I felt

427
00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:42,710
fine I found out the next day she had a

428
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bad bladder infection next time you tell

429
00:20:55,930 --> 00:20:51,910
me we sit five seats apart that it's

430
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it's you know it's kind of a joke the

431
00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:02,980
1973 Medical Journal came to one and the

432
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seminars we did in the lab and it looked

433
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:10,610
like a young short Shirley MacLaine with

434
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dark hair so we met long story short

435
00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:16,310
we're sitting talking at her apartment

436
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,470
in Westwood and I said her name was

437
00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:20,720
Carol I said Carol what's that you got a

438
00:21:25,330 --> 00:21:22,340
- were here and her left breast she was

439
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:25,340
what with titular and I so - where what

440
00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:27,170
honey what do you mean a trouper what do

441
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:30,590
you it's a tumor don't worry it's benign

442
00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:32,330
how do you know it's benign I say

443
00:21:38,170 --> 00:21:34,660
there's no calcium growing around it

444
00:21:42,670 --> 00:21:38,180
thank you okay I won't hear it again

445
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:42,680
stop so weeks later she got her job

446
00:21:47,530 --> 00:21:45,530
finished her degree is silly she got a

447
00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:47,540
job I had to go to work for this company

448
00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:49,430
company and they had to give her a

449
00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:50,990
medical workup for insurance purposes

450
00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:57,320
long story short they they found a lump

451
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in her breast to get a biopsy

452
00:22:03,370 --> 00:22:01,310
it was the tumor thank God it was it

453
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:03,380
wasn't malignant it was benign they took

454
00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:05,810
it out anyway it was exactly where I

455
00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:08,420
told her it was and then she said I you

456
00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:09,950
know I'm scare the hell out of me I

457
00:22:15,550 --> 00:22:12,470
can't be around you you're starting to

458
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:15,560
freak me out I said but I helped you I

459
00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:20,480
don't want that type of help then the

460
00:22:24,730 --> 00:22:22,700
last thing we did together we saw the

461
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opening night of The Exorcist

462
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in October of 1973 so you know I already

463
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met the writer in the director they came

464
00:22:36,490 --> 00:22:34,730
to our lab and know it simile I don't

465
00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:36,500
get scared movies because I'm gonna

466
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:38,360
theater you know surrounded by a lot of

467
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people so during the first act where

468
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Linda Blair is being bounced Iran and

469
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the

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and you don't know what's going on I

471
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turn to Carol and I've got this loud

472
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projector voice and I said I've Nena

473
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men do that in the house in Hollywood

474
00:22:56,110 --> 00:22:55,070
and from the front of the theater our

475
00:23:00,340 --> 00:22:56,120
voice booms out

476
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:00,350
hey Barry is that you it was a professor

477
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:02,930
of mine who from UCLA who knew the kind

478
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,450
of work I was doing and Carol was just

479
00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:08,000
freaked out I can't I can't be around

480
00:23:12,490 --> 00:23:10,460
you I I don't know what you're gonna say

481
00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:12,500
next what you're gonna pick up I can't

482
00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:14,300
take it I I can't

483
00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:17,270
pieces every time I see you I'm worried

484
00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:19,340
about what little tidbit and knowledge

485
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:20,780
about me you're gonna tell me that I

486
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:25,520
don't want to know that was the end of

487
00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:29,330
that but I mean if the question is what

488
00:23:37,330 --> 00:23:32,230
how do I do what I do I can't tell you

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00:23:39,790 --> 00:23:37,340
if in Man of Steel came out in 2013

490
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and I think the first or second act of

491
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:41,870
the movie there's a scene where a young

492
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:44,510
Clark Kents at school and it's x-ray

493
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:47,690
vision cuts in that is almost identical

494
00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:50,450
to what happened to me when I was 10

495
00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:53,390
years old not similar it's identical

496
00:24:00,430 --> 00:23:57,110
it's exactly what I saw brilliant color

497
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:00,440
3d and I many kind of sick to my stuff

498
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:03,050
what am i doing this is a discussion on

499
00:24:06,610 --> 00:24:05,330
my website all right I'm gonna have to

500
00:24:08,170 --> 00:24:06,620
interrupt you here because we have to go

501
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:08,180
to our bottom the hour break we'll be

502
00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:09,980
right back for more exploring the

503
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:12,750
bizarre so stay tuned

504
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:25,900
now back to exploring the bazaars with

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00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:28,490
two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

507
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:36,080
Rebecca Lee and Tings lists alright

508
00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:37,820
welcome back to exploring the bazaar I'm

509
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:40,040
Tim Schwarz tonight we're talking with

510
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:41,240
dr. Barry Taff

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00:24:49,299 --> 00:24:44,960
and so dr. Taff at the beginning of the

512
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:49,309
program we briefly mentioned that the

513
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:53,530
the group that you were with at UCLA

514
00:24:59,380 --> 00:24:56,809
investigated what later became known as

515
00:25:02,740 --> 00:24:59,390
the entity case and they they ended up

516
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:02,750
making a movie about it which you know I

517
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:07,250
know they took some grand liberties with

518
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:09,890
the with with what actually happened but

519
00:25:13,570 --> 00:25:10,970
I think a lot of people might be

520
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:13,580
surprised to know that this was an

521
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:16,130
actual case that you know I at least

522
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:19,570
some parts of it actually happened

523
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:22,790
exactly well I'll have to say up front

524
00:25:28,450 --> 00:25:26,090
that we did not have the means or the

525
00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:28,460
money or the funds to build a

526
00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:31,220
replication of her house and put like

527
00:25:36,150 --> 00:25:34,190
we're in the novel that Frank D flitter

528
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:36,160
wrote that became the movie the entity

529
00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:39,650
in the novel we use holographic laser

530
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:41,990
cameras and we use thermal imaging and

531
00:25:49,299 --> 00:25:47,210
we use super cooling technology to try

532
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:49,309
to trap the phenomena well we didn't use

533
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:51,290
any of that because it did it existed

534
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,559
but it was not affordable so we go out

535
00:26:02,110 --> 00:25:56,960
my colleague and I go out it was August

536
00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:02,120
22nd 1974 on Braddock Drive in Culver

537
00:26:07,539 --> 00:26:04,190
City California which is a suburb of Los

538
00:26:09,789 --> 00:26:07,549
Angeles so it very warm night her house

539
00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:09,799
had no air-conditioning was very hot and

540
00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:12,590
muggy and like going into a steam bath

541
00:26:19,030 --> 00:26:15,380
almost and you walk in that really

542
00:26:22,419 --> 00:26:19,040
strange odor and we were sat down and

543
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:22,429
talked with her and the first thing she

544
00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:24,530
tells us right off the top is that she's

545
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:26,620
been repeatedly raped by

546
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:29,890
a ghost we went what well huh

547
00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:32,890
what you rolled your eyes back at the

548
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:34,360
homeless woman needs psychiatric

549
00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:37,480
intervention medication or something

550
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:39,580
anti whether you'd have anti-psychotic

551
00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:43,330
medication then but anyway of we listen

552
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:45,340
to her we were talking and we just said

553
00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:48,450
look at there there's not much we can do

554
00:26:54,140 --> 00:26:51,550
we're sorry but you here's some names to

555
00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:54,150
call it UCLA maybe they can help you and

556
00:27:00,120 --> 00:26:58,360
okay now about ten days later she called

557
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:00,130
us back and she said the phenomena is

558
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:02,470
there and friends the people neighbors

559
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,300
have witnessed it okay we come back

560
00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:06,880
wasn't that far from you know at UCLA

561
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:09,880
and we go there and again it was still

562
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,730
very hot her bedroom was ice-cold but

563
00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:14,559
there was no air conditioning we're in

564
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:16,300
her kitchen we're in her kitchen with

565
00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:18,490
her speaking one of the lower cupboard

566
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:21,040
doors flies open and an iron skillet

567
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:23,890
goes froth flying across the kitchen

568
00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:27,370
several feet away no Springs no children

569
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:29,920
no animals in there to push it or throw

570
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:34,570
it anyway the case evolved into where we

571
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:38,080
started seeing beyond just things moving

572
00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:40,710
we started seeing these strange

573
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,470
corpuscular masses of light like a lava

574
00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:46,840
lamp used to be way back when and and

575
00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:48,700
they were gelatinous and they would zip

576
00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:51,640
around the room always a green with a

577
00:27:58,919 --> 00:27:55,630
lime green and and we got some pictures

578
00:28:00,750 --> 00:27:58,929
but we had no reference how big it was

579
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:00,760
where it was coming from where it was

580
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:02,410
going through the speed at which it was

581
00:28:07,530 --> 00:28:05,170
moving so he covered her bedroom walls

582
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:07,540
with the fenomena seemed to be focused

583
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:10,150
with black poster boards with duct tape

584
00:28:15,419 --> 00:28:11,890
for being a grid like a checkerboard

585
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:15,429
grid and every board would have a number

586
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:18,010
in a magnetic orientation we started

587
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:20,590
getting pictures and what was ironic was

588
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:23,530
this is important understand is what we

589
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:25,270
photographed because I'll explain in a

590
00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:27,960
moment what we photograph we did not see

591
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:32,500
what we saw we couldn't photograph at

592
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:34,990
one point the lights or zipping around

593
00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:37,170
the room would clean all of us and

594
00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:39,580
wherever the seance at the time or at

595
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:39,940
10:00

596
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:43,180
and they coalesced in the corner of the

597
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:45,400
room near word doors bite or that was a

598
00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:49,570
woman's name where she was and they

599
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:52,750
coalesced and they formed a very large

600
00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:55,930
man six-two six-three couldn't make out

601
00:28:59,880 --> 00:28:57,700
salient feature you could see the head

602
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,890
the brow red you could see the upper

603
00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:02,080
torso and it was dynamic it was

604
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:04,300
articulating I was looking at us and

605
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:07,170
then great lima green again then pop

606
00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:10,960
went out and we turn the lights on I

607
00:29:14,730 --> 00:29:12,820
told everyone don't say anything

608
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:14,740
here's some paper write down what you

609
00:29:19,950 --> 00:29:17,140
saw we don't talk to each other we all

610
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:19,960
pretty much saw the same thing but it

611
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:22,930
was odd we took lots of we had three

612
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:25,450
professional photographers with us but

613
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:27,700
high-end cameras lots of pictures were

614
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:28,240
taken

615
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:33,010
no apparition what we did catch were was

616
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:35,620
an arc of light that framed

617
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:37,810
Doris bihter she's sitting on her bed

618
00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:40,450
and you see this perfect arc of light

619
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:44,740
over her like a perfect or now so that

620
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:47,110
means that either it was invisible to

621
00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:50,410
the naked eye or because we weren't

622
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,390
shooting fast enough the light was

623
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:54,880
moving in the arc and it produced a

624
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,790
comet-like tail because the speed of the

625
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:00,640
camera wasn't quick enough but we never

626
00:30:06,270 --> 00:30:03,010
saw another picture for that same

627
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:06,280
evening in another angle on that bedroom

628
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:09,670
you see two arcs one going from top to

629
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:12,580
top the other for bottom to bottom we

630
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:18,010
never saw that either then across the

631
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,110
way other said our room with these

632
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:23,200
clauses these role opened doors and we

633
00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:24,490
took pictures of that because we were

634
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:26,380
seeing lights and what you saw was a

635
00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:30,010
face thick brown hair or two thick hair

636
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:34,420
a strong jaw but it would have ended my

637
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:35,950
colleague at the time ended up throwing

638
00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:38,410
the original photograph out in the

639
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:40,270
mailbox and we couldn't get it back but

640
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:41,250
it didn't matter

641
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:45,580
bottom line the woman moved oh no way

642
00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:48,730
have to back up one of the way we were

643
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:51,220
there or house from August through which

644
00:30:55,860 --> 00:30:53,470
of ten weeks we were there coming back

645
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:55,870
regular basis she calls us one night and

646
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,450
she says that all the poster boards have

647
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:00,880
been torn down and she was small like

648
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,580
things she wasn't a tall woman kind of

649
00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:06,640
frail Rick fragile looking and so we

650
00:31:10,919 --> 00:31:08,500
come there and yeah all the poster

651
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:10,929
boards torn down as was the paint and

652
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:14,049
some of the plaster in this little shack

653
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:16,990
of a home and she could have done it

654
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:18,820
gotten up in a ladder but from her

655
00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:21,850
reaction and then her shaking no she

656
00:31:27,539 --> 00:31:24,820
wasn't an actress so what the last time

657
00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:27,549
we were there she was yelling and this

658
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:30,280
is in my book aliens above ghosts below

659
00:31:36,299 --> 00:31:32,530
I think it's one of the early chapters

660
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:36,309
called a real life entity case and at

661
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,130
one point we're talking to those to do

662
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:41,679
something beyond lights and suddenly the

663
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:43,720
duct tape was pulled off in front of her

664
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,090
face one of the poster boards comes

665
00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:48,640
flying across the room and hits Doris in

666
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:53,140
her head and we asked to do it again it

667
00:31:59,340 --> 00:31:54,970
did but it didn't him in her head it

668
00:32:00,990 --> 00:31:59,350
landed by her feet so she was like at

669
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:01,000
that point she was able to move she

670
00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:04,530
moved from Culver City to Carson and the

671
00:32:07,409 --> 00:32:06,940
phenomena followed her we know where she

672
00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:07,419
was

673
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:09,280
Frankie Phyllida tracked her down

674
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:11,020
because he already met her he come out

675
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:14,740
interview and new place

676
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:17,110
her neighbors do nothing about her know

677
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:18,850
the public never heard where we had and

678
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:21,190
written up the articles for publication

679
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:25,110
yet and what we already did there and

680
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:28,390
suddenly she moves in and neighbors

681
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:31,390
flanking her on both sides they begin

682
00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:34,330
experiencing poltergeist activity what

683
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:39,789
so it's like a proximity effect we're

684
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:42,760
there once and suddenly this big vaz

685
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,000
with flowers in dirt and it comes flying

686
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:48,880
across the room and misses all of us but

687
00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:51,880
it hits the floor breaks and spread

688
00:32:59,610 --> 00:32:55,870
everything across the floor so she moves

689
00:33:03,330 --> 00:32:59,620
then from there to the Riverside or San

690
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:03,340
Bernardino Frank Fowler there the

691
00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:05,049
toilets were flush thing in the water

692
00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:06,760
was turning the top on in the bathroom

693
00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:07,580
and it's

694
00:33:12,220 --> 00:33:10,460
doors opening and closing and then she

695
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:12,230
disappeared we didn't know where she was

696
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:16,130
and we found out that she died like I

697
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:18,770
guess the late 80s I remember off the

698
00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:21,230
top of my head but she passed away and

699
00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:24,400
the doctors only they said it was

700
00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:28,220
cardiopulmonary arrest but as to what

701
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:30,560
caused that they can't tell you now

702
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,740
one of her sons now I should say we

703
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:36,320
first met her children the youngest

704
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:37,970
child was a daughter a little girl we

705
00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:38,690
never met her

706
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:41,180
thankfully she wasn't there her three

707
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:43,670
boys were very rambunctious and you know

708
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:45,710
hormones are going nuts or yelling and

709
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:47,690
fighting with each other they hated us

710
00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:51,470
for interfering with their lives and one

711
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:53,870
of them was interviewed on ghost Gary

712
00:33:58,690 --> 00:33:57,440
calm and he contradicted himself every

713
00:34:00,700 --> 00:33:58,700
other time we spoke

714
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:00,710
he'd say something then he contradicted

715
00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:03,410
something else they were three sons

716
00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:05,630
apparently two out of the three are

717
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:07,700
pretty messed up in terms of substance

718
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:13,210
abuse the good one finally was in was

719
00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:18,970
spoken to by the man Javier Ortega and

720
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:21,710
he said yeah the stuff was going on -

721
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:24,820
almost a day she died but it got weaker

722
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:28,070
so you know back then we were all sort

723
00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:29,990
of ignorant about this stuff and we

724
00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:32,120
thought maybe it exactly what it was it

725
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:33,980
was some kind of discarnate intelligence

726
00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:36,230
that was you know playing with her or

727
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:39,500
hurting her now as my book speaks about

728
00:34:43,330 --> 00:34:41,210
there's the article my website thing

729
00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:43,340
about if I had to make a bet but a gun

730
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,590
in my head I said it was a very intense

731
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:48,320
poltergeist case I don't think it in to

732
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:51,800
do with dead people it's complicated

733
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:54,950
it's we know now we didn't know then

734
00:35:00,610 --> 00:34:58,010
there's a recipe before these things

735
00:35:03,330 --> 00:35:00,620
happened recipe that will allow them to

736
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:03,340
occur and the recipe is pretty simple

737
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:06,950
it's one location location location the

738
00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:09,050
environments got to be geomagnetic lee

739
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:11,500
or electromagnetic magnetically a

740
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:15,290
provocative to the person's body hey who

741
00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:17,750
is you have to have an individual in

742
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,880
either a seizure prone or epileptic or

743
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:20,960
even just

744
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,400
simply has problems coping with stress

745
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:27,440
it could be simply as having focal

746
00:35:33,849 --> 00:35:31,460
seizures the third is traumatic psycho

747
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:33,859
dynamics between the members of the

748
00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:34,700
household

749
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:38,030
well indoor spiders case the world

750
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:42,950
present however she would not answer any

751
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:46,250
question about her physical health we

752
00:35:50,770 --> 00:35:47,720
knew she was drinking we're drinking

753
00:35:52,329 --> 00:35:50,780
beer a lot we were there we don't know

754
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:52,339
if that or dinner did not affect

755
00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:55,130
anything there's no way to prove it um

756
00:35:59,530 --> 00:35:58,190
she was drinking she had relation every

757
00:36:02,200 --> 00:35:59,540
one of her children came from a

758
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:02,210
different man so she was kind of messed

759
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:04,970
up emotionally about that and there was

760
00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:06,770
a dysfunctional relationship on an

761
00:36:13,210 --> 00:36:08,900
oedipal up in her and your two older

762
00:36:15,490 --> 00:36:13,220
boys and he said we were wrote something

763
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:15,500
up for fate magazine back in the 90s

764
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,320
about this or late eighties I remember a

765
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:21,280
long time ago and my book discusses this

766
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:23,990
my guess is this is one of the

767
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:26,030
granddaddy of all poltergeist cases

768
00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:28,220
because the phenomenon moved with her

769
00:36:32,859 --> 00:36:30,680
had we been able to run a full

770
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:32,869
neurological workup on her which we

771
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,450
couldn't do we were likely to found this

772
00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:37,839
huge Arthur seizure prone or epileptic

773
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:43,070
temporal lobe pliancy in that respect so

774
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:43,900
there we have it

775
00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:48,320
strain a case now how did the movie how

776
00:36:56,290 --> 00:36:53,780
did the movie come about well Frank de

777
00:36:57,339 --> 00:36:56,300
salida wrote the novel the entity became

778
00:36:59,020 --> 00:36:57,349
a best-seller

779
00:37:02,170 --> 00:36:59,030
he wrote a screenplay and by the way

780
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:02,180
that you know the novel was a novel

781
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:04,040
which means it's more fiction than it is

782
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:04,810
reality

783
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:06,890
anyway and he wrote a really good

784
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:09,650
screenplay it was sold to American

785
00:37:14,349 --> 00:37:11,570
forgot the production company

786
00:37:16,329 --> 00:37:14,359
independent production company and Frank

787
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:16,339
D Phyllida was supposed to direct it

788
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,290
well if the last minute they wanted

789
00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:20,000
someone else they brought a man by the

790
00:37:24,339 --> 00:37:22,550
name is Sid Fury he started rewriting

791
00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:24,349
the script he cut out some of the most

792
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:26,740
important elements of the story and

793
00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:29,180
obviously we didn't try to freeze the

794
00:37:33,550 --> 00:37:31,550
ghusl liquid helium or nitrogen or

795
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:33,560
whatever it was we didn't replicate her

796
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:34,400
house inside of

797
00:37:41,319 --> 00:37:37,250
Jim there was no psychiatrist as played

798
00:37:44,289 --> 00:37:41,329
by Ron silver in the movie the case

799
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:44,299
stands on its own it was you know I know

800
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:46,520
what I saw is older my colleague and

801
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:49,010
other people that were there and two

802
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:51,170
friends of ours one in front of my

803
00:37:55,029 --> 00:37:53,150
colleague they passed out by from what

804
00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:55,039
they saw they couldn't take it and they

805
00:38:00,970 --> 00:37:57,319
never came back after that well there we

806
00:38:04,839 --> 00:38:00,980
were there I think 11 or 12 times over

807
00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:04,849
the course of several months and it was

808
00:38:10,299 --> 00:38:08,329
an amazing case now we have instruments

809
00:38:12,579 --> 00:38:10,309
that didn't exist back then

810
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:12,589
geomagnetic honors electromagnet

811
00:38:19,269 --> 00:38:17,119
emitters formal imaging oh you know all

812
00:38:20,980 --> 00:38:19,279
sorts of things we could bring in to

813
00:38:22,029 --> 00:38:20,990
measure the environment that didn't

814
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:22,039
exist back then

815
00:38:27,339 --> 00:38:24,940
low-frequency spectrometers you know

816
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:27,349
great great things we could have brought

817
00:38:33,549 --> 00:38:30,430
it but they didn't exist back in 1974

818
00:38:35,890 --> 00:38:33,559
now we bring instruments to every case

819
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:35,900
we go to and the pattern is always the

820
00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:39,230
same the place and the face may change

821
00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:42,470
what we learn does not and that's what's

822
00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:45,260
so fascinating about all of this now are

823
00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:46,700
there cases that you're investigating

824
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:50,420
currently no what was interesting about

825
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:53,210
your question you just alice is that as

826
00:39:01,569 --> 00:38:58,400
the paranormal unreality genre kicked in

827
00:39:03,849 --> 00:39:01,579
on TV the frequency of calls we got

828
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:03,859
dramatically diminished because

829
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:05,990
apparently people would rather have

830
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:08,950
actors come out to their house to

831
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:12,609
investigate a case as opposed to having

832
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:15,710
parapsychologist coming out now this is

833
00:39:20,529 --> 00:39:17,960
the equivalent 'iv its equivalent would

834
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:20,539
be you come home and oh my god your

835
00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:22,430
house is broken into and all your

836
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:24,920
furnitures gone here your TV your stereo

837
00:39:32,849 --> 00:39:29,150
is gone and you call the police or do

838
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:32,859
you call actors who play police on a TV

839
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:37,690
you call the police oh so you know it's

840
00:39:44,589 --> 00:39:41,089
anyway the call the last case we ever

841
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:44,599
had was simply some years ago and was a

842
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:47,390
woman in Pasadena and

843
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:49,730
our equipment brand-new batteries and

844
00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:52,370
all of our devices every system went

845
00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:53,860
dead all of our batteries failed

846
00:39:58,180 --> 00:39:55,700
collectively which has never happened

847
00:40:00,460 --> 00:39:58,190
before she saw there's some pictures she

848
00:40:02,890 --> 00:40:00,470
took and they didn't look like anything

849
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:02,900
paranormal they look more like UFO

850
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:05,330
activity and we didn't tell her what

851
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:07,550
this was and before we left she goes

852
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:11,420
does tell me there's any this relate to

853
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:14,450
being abducted we went by what do you

854
00:40:20,260 --> 00:40:17,300
mean being abducted well like like by

855
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:20,270
you know aliens we went what she told

856
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,290
this story and apparently in a pretty

857
00:40:29,110 --> 00:40:26,240
interesting case we were gonna fall what

858
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,120
up as often as we could but the church

859
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:31,280
she was going to told her it was demons

860
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:33,230
and you have to give us your memory

861
00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:35,570
cards from your camera or even that

862
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,100
you're gonna be haunted it's gonna kill

863
00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:39,920
you and her teenage son was so freaked

864
00:40:44,770 --> 00:40:41,870
out by all that was going on he left he

865
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:44,780
went to live with his father and the

866
00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:47,090
woman was actually very pleasant she had

867
00:40:51,570 --> 00:40:49,160
some problems that she was around my age

868
00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:51,580
and she looked like she was in her 20s

869
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,460
but the point of it is that the pictures

870
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,160
were more consistent what we see

871
00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:01,280
regarding UFOs now this brings up

872
00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:03,260
another point and this is in my book and

873
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:05,180
on my website we've had a number of

874
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:08,030
cases that began as poltergeist activity

875
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:13,630
and then evolved into either a c3 or c4

876
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:19,970
c3 is you see occupants of UFOs c4 is

877
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,790
where you're abducted and we've had

878
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,040
cases that began as poltergeist and

879
00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:27,440
broke out it turn into a CD three or

880
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:30,140
four well more frequently began as an

881
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:32,300
abduction which of course you can I

882
00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:34,370
cannot prove because how do you prove it

883
00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:36,740
unless you're there you have to believe

884
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:39,320
validating it for verifying it but it

885
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:42,790
begins against that it evolves into

886
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:45,770
paranormal fallout someone like to play

887
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:48,530
like a Bryant like the Brian Scott case

888
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:52,310
but Brian's situation was really you

889
00:41:56,910 --> 00:41:54,200
know unusual and we ever dealt with him

890
00:42:00,340 --> 00:41:56,920
and well more than forty years I

891
00:42:01,420 --> 00:42:00,350
remember the fire broke out as bad yes

892
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:01,430
no accelerant

893
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:04,880
on it and he started speaking in a

894
00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:07,970
strange way and we had the tape analyzed

895
00:42:12,549 --> 00:42:09,619
by some friends and the government and

896
00:42:14,770 --> 00:42:12,559
so this is a machine it's not a human no

897
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:14,780
no we were there no no this is not a

898
00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:18,410
person this is a machine that was a long

899
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:21,140
time ago and his hair went gray real

900
00:42:32,859 --> 00:42:28,670
fast I remember that and I was he's

901
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:32,869
deceased I did check up on yeah yeah

902
00:42:38,109 --> 00:42:35,510
now it didn't he didn't he also get some

903
00:42:42,099 --> 00:42:38,119
messages and he went to I think Lake

904
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:42,109
Titicaca in Peru gentleness is like yeah

905
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:44,780
40 years 40 years ago but he received a

906
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,630
message to go there yeah and I don't I

907
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:48,800
don't remember what happened but he yeah

908
00:42:53,859 --> 00:42:50,210
he had a problem where he was being

909
00:42:56,049 --> 00:42:53,869
possessed by some entity I mean he had a

910
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:56,059
name I remember I remember he told us

911
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,790
that um the one thing you know again

912
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,800
when you're present with someone they

913
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:03,200
fall on the their bed in front of you

914
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:06,710
and you see the sheath of flame rise up

915
00:43:12,609 --> 00:43:08,900
from the bed around them you put it out

916
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,619
there's the bishop the the bed linens

917
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:15,520
are burned and charred yet there's no

918
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:18,530
accelerant present there to trigger the

919
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:22,160
fire now you were there with this happen

920
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:24,890
were you there in the SAP yeah okay

921
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:25,970
wasn't ready he's dead

922
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:27,609
was there any heat that was given off

923
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:30,470
yes it wasn't it was love me with like

924
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:34,730
posts like like a sudden push that back

925
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,490
and then you know we put it out it went

926
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:40,400
out pretty quickly it it's injured leave

927
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:42,650
the bed linens and all that the covers

928
00:43:48,819 --> 00:43:46,609
but there was no accelerant how do you

929
00:43:50,819 --> 00:43:48,829
make fire pop out without an accelerant

930
00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:50,829
and no heat source

931
00:43:56,799 --> 00:43:53,780
there was no ignition source with it

932
00:44:02,079 --> 00:43:56,809
wasn't hot there is no accelerant so

933
00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:02,089
what causes that we don't know well no

934
00:44:06,359 --> 00:44:04,520
is this do you think this ties in there

935
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:06,369
been a lot of cases over the years of

936
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:09,700
spontaneous combustion where people

937
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:14,960
right yeah I've

938
00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:18,050
a lot of books about it once you get

939
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:19,540
past what they called the wick effect

940
00:44:23,950 --> 00:44:22,370
where people start burning because they

941
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:23,960
drink too much or they had a cigarette

942
00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:26,930
funny and they start burning slowly yeah

943
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,220
well that's not spontaneous human

944
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:30,560
combustion real spontaneous human

945
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:33,470
combustion occurs very rapidly and is

946
00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:36,350
blue or blue green flame and can reduce

947
00:44:43,870 --> 00:44:40,220
the body - within a minute or two which

948
00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:43,880
normal wick effects cannot do and there

949
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:45,560
have been some lillian incredible cases

950
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:47,450
out there i I met a girl

951
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:50,300
Oh decades ago whose father was a police

952
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:52,700
captain and he ran into a few cases like

953
00:44:56,740 --> 00:44:54,530
that it said it scared the hell out of

954
00:45:02,320 --> 00:44:56,750
them it really terrified him the whole

955
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:02,330
thing so you know yeah I don't know all

956
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:05,240
I know we've had there was a net TV

957
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:07,490
network executive began with a

958
00:45:12,820 --> 00:45:09,530
poltergeist case evolved it into an

959
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:12,830
abduction that's in my book I'm writing

960
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:14,510
a new book by the way I can't tell you

961
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:17,090
the title but it's gonna be somewhat

962
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:19,550
controversial it's gonna touch go into

963
00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:21,410
more depth about what we've learned and

964
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:24,020
what disc suggests and more about things

965
00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:27,290
about my past I've never discussed hmm

966
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:34,460
very quickly in 2014 it was early fall

967
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,250
it was warm

968
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:38,720
my cleaning lady came over to clean the

969
00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:41,320
house so I'm taking a shower by myself

970
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:44,270
doors close and silly your banging and

971
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:47,030
banging it's Maria she's going crazy I

972
00:45:51,310 --> 00:45:48,710
jumped up at my robot what's the matter

973
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:51,320
she goes I saw you your computer I go

974
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:54,800
what so I just saw you oh I wasn't the

975
00:46:00,700 --> 00:45:56,990
chamille I heard you in the shower and

976
00:46:02,350 --> 00:46:00,710
then I turned into your bedroom and I

977
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:02,360
could see that you were sitting in front

978
00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:04,850
of the computer no I've been in the

979
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:12,130
really freaked her out and she didn't

980
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:14,390
come back after that so what was that

981
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:19,550
doppelganger you know bilocation I had

982
00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:21,710
things that kept disappearing on me I

983
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,340
had three vials of medicine big vials

984
00:46:28,750 --> 00:46:27,680
medication I need to take they came

985
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:28,760
there in the claws

986
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:32,570
in a pack in a padded mailer the box

987
00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:34,490
disappeared the medication disappeared

988
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:37,820
not there a suit disappeared shoes

989
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:40,070
disappeared my cell phone disappeared

990
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:42,770
once I put pillow down on my desperate

991
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:44,810
and I could take him and I turned back

992
00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:46,130
the pills are gone

993
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:48,680
I found a month later when I got up in a

994
00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:50,930
ladder to change the light in the

995
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,480
kitchen they were sitting on the top of

996
00:47:00,160 --> 00:46:55,280
the refrigerator that I could not see

997
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:00,170
because I'm not that tall so what's

998
00:47:05,950 --> 00:47:03,590
going on I can't tell you all I know is

999
00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:05,960
as I'm getting older this stuff seems to

1000
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:08,440
be increasing around me not decreasing

1001
00:47:17,290 --> 00:47:14,510
so I don't know now do you say okay well

1002
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:17,300
I think we're coming up for a break here

1003
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:20,570
but after we come back I I want to talk

1004
00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:23,090
to you about how you see UFOs is tying

1005
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:27,190
in with a lot of this paranormal

1006
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:30,050
phenomena it's been a fascinating

1007
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:32,570
fascinating career that's no no doubt

1008
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:36,170
about it and somebody who you know you

1009
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:38,350
hear a lot of stories and a lot of

1010
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:41,240
claims and all but they actually have

1011
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,430
people like you know a researcher and be

1012
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:45,680
able to at least prove it to some degree

1013
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:48,470
and I do remember the photographs that

1014
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:51,170
you had you had taken there's a another

1015
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,150
case we investigated and you're gonna

1016
00:47:55,930 --> 00:47:54,800
have that you're gonna have to hold Tim

1017
00:47:57,970 --> 00:47:55,940
you're gonna have to hold that thought

1018
00:47:59,680 --> 00:47:57,980
because we have to go to our top the

1019
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,690
hour break we'll be back in just few

1020
00:48:04,260 --> 00:48:01,520
minutes with more dr. Barry Taff

1021
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:04,270
on exploring the bizarreness we do

1022
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:19,500
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1023
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:22,089
two of the most electrifying researchers

1024
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:25,089
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1025
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:31,660
beckoning panting Swift's welcome back

1026
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:33,849
to explore in the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz

1027
00:48:39,809 --> 00:48:35,380
with Tim Beckley and our guest tonight

1028
00:48:41,970 --> 00:48:39,819
is dr. Barry Taff and Tim I know that

1029
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:41,980
you wanted to talk a little bit real

1030
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:44,890
quick about a coincidence that that you

1031
00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:45,490
have yes

1032
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,030
do you find it Barry that synchronicity

1033
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:51,520
plays any part in this because I've done

1034
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,490
a whole book that's like 450 pages of

1035
00:48:57,809 --> 00:48:56,319
all these weird I'm not just talking

1036
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,819
about you know thinking is somebody and

1037
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,680
they call you on the phone you know the

1038
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:01,119
next day you're waking up in the clock

1039
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,190
says floor floor for which I don't even

1040
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:05,200
understand what that means but I mean

1041
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,520
I'm just talking about stuff that you

1042
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:09,040
can't possibly explain it's like

1043
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:10,890
somebody is controlling the situation

1044
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:13,720
anyway back in the late 60s and early

1045
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:17,020
70s I was directing the New York School

1046
00:49:19,799 --> 00:49:18,460
of occult Arts and Sciences

1047
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:19,809
it was probably one of the first

1048
00:49:24,299 --> 00:49:21,990
metaphysical schools in the in the

1049
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:24,309
country I mean there were spiritualist

1050
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:26,650
churches and Harmony Grove and giant

1051
00:49:31,289 --> 00:49:28,750
rocky airport but ours was a little bit

1052
00:49:33,569 --> 00:49:31,299
more I'm just going to say serious but

1053
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:33,579
that's probably not the proper word

1054
00:49:38,819 --> 00:49:35,980
anyway we had people like Cleve Backster

1055
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:38,829
dr. Stanley a [\h__\h] er a lot of

1056
00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:40,420
psychics well they would they would come

1057
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,140
in in in lecture now the fellow I kind

1058
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,760
of liked I got a kick out of him was

1059
00:49:50,849 --> 00:49:48,160
Alan one he had a good sense of humor I

1060
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:50,859
mean he took the subject seriously but

1061
00:49:54,799 --> 00:49:52,630
you can have sit down and have a beer

1062
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:54,809
with him and crack you know a couple of

1063
00:50:02,160 --> 00:49:58,390
jokes and and so eventually he moved to

1064
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,170
San Francisco he took a job and when

1065
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:04,000
there were jobs in the field as editor a

1066
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,170
psychic magazine a very polished

1067
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,960
publication on parapsychology you know

1068
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,640
different than fate magazine and there

1069
00:50:16,289 --> 00:50:14,079
because fate values is kind of like

1070
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:16,299
short stories and you know people that

1071
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,050
have had experiences more

1072
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:21,200
kind of a scientific background but I

1073
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:24,920
you know I lost track them with him then

1074
00:50:29,770 --> 00:50:27,650
I was invited to give a talk to the

1075
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:29,780
Congress of scientific ufologist was

1076
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:32,630
just kind of ridiculous because there

1077
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:34,250
were no scientists involved in the group

1078
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:37,130
but the guy had rented the local the

1079
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:38,570
chairman of the group had rented

1080
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:41,450
auditorium and held like 400 people and

1081
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:43,369
I gave a talk on know I think was either

1082
00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:46,250
Friday or Saturday night and my plane

1083
00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:48,320
was leaving back to a New Jersey Newark

1084
00:50:53,890 --> 00:50:51,740
Airport Sunday afternoon but rather late

1085
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:53,900
in the day so we had some time nua to

1086
00:50:59,470 --> 00:50:57,440
kill we picked a up it was the promoter

1087
00:51:01,300 --> 00:50:59,480
his wife and a few other members I don't

1088
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,310
know who they were his name who they

1089
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:03,920
were his name is Dale Reddick okay so we

1090
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:06,440
sat down to water brunch I got my Bloody

1091
00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:08,270
Mary and we were looking at the menu and

1092
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:10,340
I happened to mention I said gee whiz

1093
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:12,290
you know I wish I had thought of this

1094
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:14,780
because I know my friend Alan Vaughn has

1095
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:17,330
moved out here from New York to San

1096
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,610
Francisco and I should have been

1097
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:21,920
courteous enough to call him on the

1098
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:25,550
phone and invite him to my my talk you

1099
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:26,630
know and then we could have gone out for

1100
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:29,930
a beer later on well two minutes later

1101
00:51:36,609 --> 00:51:33,680
the the door to the bar swings open and

1102
00:51:39,609 --> 00:51:36,619
a gentleman comes walking into the into

1103
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:39,619
the bar with a dog on a leash well I had

1104
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:42,170
never been in this place an Francisco

1105
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:45,050
before the the people that were with me

1106
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:46,730
had never been in this restaurant we

1107
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:48,740
picked it out at random and I look at

1108
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:50,060
this guy and I said well this can't

1109
00:51:54,849 --> 00:51:52,010
possibly be but that's sure in the hell

1110
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:54,859
looks like Alan Vaughn okay here's a

1111
00:51:58,359 --> 00:51:56,690
city that has a million people in it

1112
00:52:00,520 --> 00:51:58,369
what's the chances of somebody that

1113
00:52:01,690 --> 00:52:00,530
you're talking about come through that

1114
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:01,700
door two minutes later

1115
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:03,530
so I motioned for the fella to come over

1116
00:52:08,590 --> 00:52:05,450
and sure enough it was Alan Vaughn and

1117
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,600
he sat down he had a good laugh about it

1118
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:11,119
and you know hug each other and and so

1119
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:13,250
forth I said Alan it's good to see you

1120
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:15,170
what are you working on he said you know

1121
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:17,090
I'm not doing a book on coincidences and

1122
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,070
synchronicity I guess I'll have to

1123
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:21,680
include this in it and that's the little

1124
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:24,170
paperback book that you can that you can

1125
00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:26,630
still find in you know flea markets and

1126
00:52:31,779 --> 00:52:29,420
all I think we're case number a 37 or

1127
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:31,789
something but I've had stuff like this

1128
00:52:37,029 --> 00:52:34,729
up and over and over and over and over

1129
00:52:42,969 --> 00:52:37,039
and it seems to tie in a lot with the

1130
00:52:46,569 --> 00:52:42,979
UFOs um well I can tell you I'm a

1131
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,579
website there's one article called very

1132
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:48,319
very personal and enduring

1133
00:52:54,399 --> 00:52:51,049
synchronicities and I this friend of a

1134
00:52:57,489 --> 00:52:54,409
had since 1973 a man by the name of

1135
00:53:01,359 --> 00:52:57,499
richard christian matheson he's the son

1136
00:53:04,539 --> 00:53:01,369
of the now deceased writer Richard

1137
00:53:08,499 --> 00:53:04,549
Matheson so he and I met both the father

1138
00:53:10,989 --> 00:53:08,509
and the son and I met in March of 1973

1139
00:53:13,299 --> 00:53:10,999
they walked in the lab Richard the son

1140
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:13,309
and I have the same birthday month day

1141
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,249
and time and we'll borrow the details

1142
00:53:20,379 --> 00:53:17,599
because there's all this stuff's on my

1143
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:20,389
website there's so many but state

1144
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:23,359
specific links and secrets and he's we

1145
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:26,329
going like what what does it mean we

1146
00:53:34,779 --> 00:53:30,079
don't know and then and then the little

1147
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:34,789
last things when my mom passed away ten

1148
00:53:39,309 --> 00:53:37,609
years ago he had met my parents for a

1149
00:53:41,019 --> 00:53:39,319
long time ago when I first met him but

1150
00:53:42,789 --> 00:53:41,029
he didn't remember their names what was

1151
00:53:44,889 --> 00:53:42,799
her name I said Ruth and he got really

1152
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:44,899
quiet on the phone I said but the Mary

1153
00:53:50,609 --> 00:53:47,569
goes you remember do you every my mom I

1154
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:50,619
don't know her name is Ruth I went what

1155
00:53:54,279 --> 00:53:53,630
huh and that's just the tip of the

1156
00:53:57,849 --> 00:53:54,289
iceberg

1157
00:53:59,979 --> 00:53:57,859
it seems that these things may occur

1158
00:54:02,319 --> 00:53:59,989
much more frequently when people expect

1159
00:54:03,759 --> 00:54:02,329
but people sometimes ignore it and they

1160
00:54:06,669 --> 00:54:03,769
don't really get kind of like oh well

1161
00:54:10,509 --> 00:54:06,679
big deal but if it keeps occurring to

1162
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:10,519
you um they overlook like something's

1163
00:54:14,919 --> 00:54:12,529
trying to tell you something you're

1164
00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:14,929
either ignore it or you couldn't put it

1165
00:54:19,209 --> 00:54:18,380
to use if it keeps occurring um another

1166
00:54:20,649 --> 00:54:19,219
Crematory

1167
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:20,659
you know I've been I've been I've been

1168
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:24,169
trying to figure out that very concept

1169
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:25,729
and I thought I was going to win some

1170
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:28,249
big money in Atlantic City because I was

1171
00:54:33,069 --> 00:54:31,069
on my way to the casino with my friend

1172
00:54:34,569 --> 00:54:33,079
and Maria who writes books on psychic

1173
00:54:36,539 --> 00:54:34,579
phenomena and we passed this

1174
00:54:39,459 --> 00:54:36,549
bed-and-breakfast and on the roof are

1175
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,469
statues of bronze statues of the Blues

1176
00:54:43,419 --> 00:54:41,839
Brothers and Dan Aykroyd we know has a

1177
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:43,429
great interest in UFOs and the

1178
00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:45,110
paranormal and I'm

1179
00:54:48,610 --> 00:54:46,790
mention that in the fact that to my

1180
00:54:50,590 --> 00:54:48,620
friend and I mentioned that and the fact

1181
00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:50,600
that when he was growing up they used to

1182
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,920
hold séances in his home in Canada and

1183
00:54:59,710 --> 00:54:56,960
his grandparents were members of the

1184
00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:59,720
local spiritualist a group okay so we

1185
00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:02,960
get to the the hotel the cocina where

1186
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:05,030
we're staying we get off the bus we go

1187
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,700
into the lobby to pick up our free of

1188
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:09,680
chips for the afternoon that we never

1189
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:11,990
even spend because we don't go there to

1190
00:55:16,090 --> 00:55:13,610
gamble we go there just to look at the

1191
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:16,100
ocean and lo and behold the stickiest

1192
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:19,000
step up to the cage to get our

1193
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:21,830
certificate validate what happens but

1194
00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:26,080
the music comes on to Ghost Busters now

1195
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:29,420
you know it's not even like that there's

1196
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,770
a disc jockey in the room we're talking

1197
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:33,040
about in the lobby right it's pregnant

1198
00:55:38,290 --> 00:55:36,290
it's programmed in Pandora or something

1199
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:38,300
God knows where you know in Illinois or

1200
00:55:43,690 --> 00:55:42,020
in Costa Rica even who knows right how

1201
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:43,700
did you know that we had just been

1202
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:46,610
talking about dan Aykroyd and the music

1203
00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:49,430
so I said - I said to Maria I said let's

1204
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:50,830
look and see if there are any

1205
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:53,570
ghostbusters slot machines because maybe

1206
00:55:58,090 --> 00:55:55,010
they're trying to tell us something

1207
00:56:00,010 --> 00:55:58,100
and we'll take this $25 certificate they

1208
00:56:02,890 --> 00:56:00,020
gave us drop it into the Machine and

1209
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:02,900
walk away with $100,000 well it turned

1210
00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:04,310
out that they there had been two

1211
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:06,200
ghostbusters slot machines but they were

1212
00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:07,910
penny slot machines and they were gone

1213
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,350
so even if we what we have 129 dollars

1214
00:56:18,910 --> 00:56:15,440
or something it up right so yeah that's

1215
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:18,920
the closest of of anything like pointing

1216
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:20,450
in the direction of something we should

1217
00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:22,190
have done the other stuff is just purely

1218
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:24,380
random and it's it's kind of like the

1219
00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:26,810
trickster element and it's kind of funny

1220
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:29,750
and hysterical in time to the people to

1221
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:32,150
the person that it happens to but the

1222
00:56:35,530 --> 00:56:34,070
actual meaning I don't know except that

1223
00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:35,540
the philip k dick believed we were

1224
00:56:40,330 --> 00:56:38,870
living in a computer simulation well let

1225
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:40,340
me give you one quick story on

1226
00:56:44,140 --> 00:56:42,350
synchronicities okay

1227
00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:44,150
yeah girl I spoke of earlier in the show

1228
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,360
a girl I spoke to first 2014 named the

1229
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:50,000
cold never met her so I come out you

1230
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:51,950
know I moved out of LA I'm down here in

1231
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:53,510
the middle of nowhere in the desert and

1232
00:56:58,550 --> 00:56:56,930
I started talking to her last year so

1233
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:58,560
you know I've never known

1234
00:57:02,060 --> 00:57:00,150
another girl named Nicole in my life

1235
00:57:03,110 --> 00:57:02,070
ever this is the only one I've never met

1236
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:03,120
or spoken to her

1237
00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:06,450
suddenly I'm afraid of one of my friends

1238
00:57:10,310 --> 00:57:07,080
down here

1239
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,320
his wife's Nicole okay these one of the

1240
00:57:17,810 --> 00:57:13,200
surgeons I've been going to see about my

1241
00:57:19,610 --> 00:57:17,820
eyes in LA her name is Nicole the head

1242
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:19,620
of the office the woman heads up the

1243
00:57:27,050 --> 00:57:24,090
office there is named Nicole then I get

1244
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,060
a call from sochaux back east and the

1245
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,700
woman on the phone is named Nicole but

1246
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:31,440
what and then there's what some Vegas

1247
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:33,780
calls about talk to you about somebody

1248
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:36,330
whatever name the call I go what what's

1249
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,060
going on so I thought you know this is a

1250
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:41,520
bad indicator regarding the girl I've

1251
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:43,530
talked to you know the why would like

1252
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:48,330
who I look like um Joe Joan Collins and

1253
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:51,300
I it's like the universe is worrying me

1254
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:54,930
be careful the Nicole that you just kept

1255
00:58:00,020 --> 00:57:57,720
talking to that you like is gonna

1256
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:00,030
present a real big problem

1257
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:03,450
keep away that turned out to the coal

1258
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,450
that I was talking to you as a cup of

1259
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,000
fresh air of a happy meal she missed she

1260
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:12,240
lies and misconstrues things and make

1261
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:14,550
things up and in fact fabricate stuff

1262
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,220
and misrepresent things and I said boy

1263
00:58:20,780 --> 00:58:19,200
am I glad it anywhere she says one thing

1264
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:20,790
then she says something else and then

1265
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:21,810
trained his/her mind

1266
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:24,570
she told me she was forty she's actually

1267
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:26,940
two years older than me but she lied

1268
00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:29,070
whatever well that's a that's a big

1269
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,100
stretch you know but I mean the whole

1270
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,980
point of it is like we yeah everyone

1271
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:36,960
must evaluate in my opinion a

1272
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:39,660
synchronicity based on the way they

1273
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:42,420
perceive their world and for some people

1274
00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:45,420
it's a river it's trivial entertainment

1275
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:48,060
to others you're like the universe is

1276
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:50,460
telling you something you can choose to

1277
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,710
ignore it you could choose to pay a

1278
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:55,440
little attention to it perhaps better

1279
00:59:01,340 --> 00:58:57,780
your existence

1280
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:01,350
so whatever you say do you think that

1281
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:04,950
there's some big master plan here well

1282
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:07,470
yes and no I don't believe a plan but I

1283
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:11,130
do not believe in free will in my book

1284
00:59:15,730 --> 00:59:12,510
and on my website

1285
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:15,740
aurilla story how many could it says

1286
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:20,570
coincidences make a fact ten a hundred a

1287
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:25,020
thousand ten thousand a million it gets

1288
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:26,760
to a point where alright stop it's not

1289
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:32,040
coincidence anymore what is it oh we

1290
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:37,050
don't know um why is it that people who

1291
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:40,170
have see of abductions or all and

1292
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:44,580
somebody III start having Perelman

1293
00:59:48,590 --> 00:59:46,530
paranormal fallout afterwards

1294
00:59:52,220 --> 00:59:48,600
spontaneous healings out-of-body

1295
00:59:57,110 --> 00:59:52,230
experiences poltergeist outbreaks things

1296
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:57,120
like that the energy that UFOs operate

1297
01:00:01,250 --> 00:59:58,980
when they're not using energy we're

1298
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,260
familiar with there's no evidence of

1299
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:03,480
they're using nucleons we know it

1300
01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:06,180
electromagnetic as we know it or gravity

1301
01:00:12,370 --> 01:00:09,540
but they're able to use the couple with

1302
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:12,380
that produced effects in our world

1303
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:15,210
machines that can do things we can't

1304
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:18,110
even imagine up and it's still going on

1305
01:00:24,110 --> 01:00:21,210
so I'm funny feeling that whoever these

1306
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:24,120
things are whoever is behind them

1307
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:27,150
whatever they are have mastered energies

1308
01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:30,570
we call paranormal that they use to

1309
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:33,840
power their technology it would be like

1310
01:00:41,810 --> 01:00:37,530
bringing a new Corvette to someone from

1311
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:41,820
5,000 years ago they freaked out what is

1312
01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:44,790
it a car water well why does it make all

1313
01:00:49,490 --> 01:00:46,740
that noise how is it moving why what

1314
01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:49,500
does it mean they wouldn't understand it

1315
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:51,230
because they don't know what a car is

1316
01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:54,680
we're pretty much in the same place but

1317
01:00:59,600 --> 01:00:57,870
in my book in the new book I hope

1318
01:01:01,940 --> 01:00:59,610
there's no like aces I've worked on

1319
01:01:04,550 --> 01:01:01,950
where this stuff is torn people apart

1320
01:01:07,550 --> 01:01:04,560
because it how do you talk to people

1321
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:07,560
about this people tend to be afraid of

1322
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:09,180
what they don't understand that's the

1323
01:01:15,290 --> 01:01:12,660
way the human condition works and I said

1324
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,300
before we were talking privately that I

1325
01:01:19,580 --> 01:01:17,520
had a dollar for every person I've

1326
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:19,590
terrified who's run away from me

1327
01:01:24,290 --> 01:01:21,570
I'd be very wealthy right now my

1328
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:24,300
problems would all be solved

1329
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:26,460
it's fun and games that

1330
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:29,970
until it interferes with their either

1331
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:33,540
religion or their respect perspective on

1332
01:01:39,319 --> 01:01:36,780
reality everyone's got a threshold and

1333
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,329
if that threshold is crossed people

1334
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,760
decide I can't take this anymore and

1335
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:43,680
they run away from it

1336
01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:47,490
very quickly and you know it's like now

1337
01:01:51,799 --> 01:01:49,800
I meet people whatever you do shows and

1338
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:51,809
people ever been married I said are you

1339
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:55,050
kidding I said I've never met any girl

1340
01:02:01,250 --> 01:01:58,050
in my life that's interested what I'm

1341
01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:01,260
interested in for the same reasons a lot

1342
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:04,430
of times people get into this field to

1343
01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:07,500
basically get rid of their own personal

1344
01:02:13,579 --> 01:02:10,619
emotional demons too deep their problem

1345
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:13,589
thinking it's gonna help them I wouldn't

1346
01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:15,180
bet on that why I just wouldn't bet on

1347
01:02:24,819 --> 01:02:18,750
it and you know things go wrong and and

1348
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:24,829
and yeah it's you know the that was um

1349
01:02:29,299 --> 01:02:27,960
oh god this was there was a little

1350
01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:29,309
friend of mine who passed away this year

1351
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:33,270
who's they asking me oh yes if we go 100

1352
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:36,660
they for decades is a girl I met in the

1353
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:39,690
early 80s and I met her like 83 and

1354
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:41,640
really attractive brunette blue-eyed

1355
01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:45,089
very named Jodi so we go out to guaran

1356
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:48,380
once we both meet at restaurants and

1357
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:51,210
[\h__\h] oh they say you're psychic looking

1358
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:53,700
at UITs and I can diagnose you again

1359
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:56,490
okay so I'm doing my thing I do nothing

1360
01:03:01,609 --> 01:02:58,020
about Jodi other the fact that she was

1361
01:03:02,180 --> 01:03:01,619
very attractive I said well hmm let's

1362
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:02,190
see

1363
01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:04,950
you've got some GI problems upper and

1364
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:06,660
low but I think your main problem is you

1365
01:03:11,299 --> 01:03:09,089
have endometriosis good what what what

1366
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:11,309
you have a follicular cyst on your left

1367
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:14,880
ovary because what what how do you know

1368
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:18,240
that you asked I don't know so calls

1369
01:03:24,589 --> 01:03:20,670
back a few later but Jareau her OB GYN

1370
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:24,599
she I was right she does the doctor

1371
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:27,720
asked her how do I know it he looked at

1372
01:03:31,940 --> 01:03:30,510
me so the doctor called me and I said I

1373
01:03:34,370 --> 01:03:31,950
can't tell you what I do because I don't

1374
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,380
know do you know how you breathe no you

1375
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:37,440
just breathe do you know how you talk

1376
01:03:41,819 --> 01:03:38,940
know the words forming your mouth

1377
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:41,829
because your brain works

1378
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:48,710
and yeah it's but I mean you know I was

1379
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:50,569
looking at her and I said cuz what's

1380
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:52,490
endometriosis she didn't even know what

1381
01:03:56,499 --> 01:03:54,410
it was because you know less people

1382
01:04:00,190 --> 01:03:56,509
women and had run-ins with it they

1383
01:04:03,549 --> 01:04:00,200
wouldn't know what so it's but you know

1384
01:04:07,329 --> 01:04:03,559
what the UFO stuff is there's been a lot

1385
01:04:09,819 --> 01:04:07,339
of some Reville Reville a we releases of

1386
01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:09,829
data on it recently that it's been

1387
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,380
discovered that even when the stuff was

1388
01:04:15,370 --> 01:04:14,240
first being encountered back during

1389
01:04:18,849 --> 01:04:15,380
World War two

1390
01:04:21,130 --> 01:04:18,859
the Air Force or the Army Air Force in

1391
01:04:23,380 --> 01:04:21,140
the military would terrify to deal with

1392
01:04:26,049 --> 01:04:23,390
it as well it's in the sky it's coming

1393
01:04:27,759 --> 01:04:26,059
down so it might be a minion from God

1394
01:04:31,329 --> 01:04:27,769
warning us at the end of the world

1395
01:04:32,859 --> 01:04:31,339
oh god what and guess what people still

1396
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:32,869
think that way

1397
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:35,210
it must be their god it's got to be the

1398
01:04:42,489 --> 01:04:39,200
devil I said whatever the end result of

1399
01:04:44,979 --> 01:04:42,499
all this we discover that we're not who

1400
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:44,989
we think we are once we discovered that

1401
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,059
we were created by another race of

1402
01:04:51,729 --> 01:04:48,799
beings for something we can't even

1403
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:51,739
imagine what would that do to our

1404
01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:54,049
consciousness would that do to our

1405
01:04:59,950 --> 01:04:58,249
religions how would that affect the

1406
01:05:01,989 --> 01:04:59,960
Middle East you know we already have

1407
01:05:04,479 --> 01:05:01,999
people crazy people running in the war

1408
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:04,489
scream in their name of God - because

1409
01:05:09,729 --> 01:05:06,049
they believe they do and you don't

1410
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:09,739
believe what they believe in it would be

1411
01:05:18,759 --> 01:05:15,410
very bad and if this is true and I have

1412
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:18,769
a funny feeling it is then then this is

1413
01:05:23,739 --> 01:05:21,980
in my book and on my website the worst

1414
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:23,749
thing the government could do would make

1415
01:05:27,099 --> 01:05:25,609
full disclosure because it wouldn't

1416
01:05:29,499 --> 01:05:27,109
better us it would hurt us in the long

1417
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:29,509
run long in the future and we may

1418
01:05:33,849 --> 01:05:31,609
understand it right now unless it

1419
01:05:36,099 --> 01:05:33,859
affects your daily life or your job your

1420
01:05:41,019 --> 01:05:36,109
ability to exist and eat can be well

1421
01:05:43,089 --> 01:05:41,029
people don't care you know just yeah

1422
01:05:46,749 --> 01:05:43,099
well you're you're right about that but

1423
01:05:49,930 --> 01:05:46,759
to the people whose life it does affect

1424
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:49,940
it is the most all-consuming thing of

1425
01:05:55,809 --> 01:05:53,359
their existence and that's the

1426
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:55,819
that's the the problem with this kind of

1427
01:06:01,509 --> 01:05:57,920
you know it's like the people who

1428
01:06:03,339 --> 01:06:01,519
believe based on their own involvement

1429
01:06:05,979 --> 01:06:03,349
in the whether it's an abduction or a

1430
01:06:09,370 --> 01:06:05,989
close encounter being taken over by some

1431
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:09,380
entity they they go out and and become

1432
01:06:16,479 --> 01:06:12,950
in some cases at least fanatics about

1433
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:16,489
this and then the other people who have

1434
01:06:20,739 --> 01:06:18,230
never had a sighting or an experience

1435
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:20,749
and may only casually watch something on

1436
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:23,210
the History Channel couldn't care less

1437
01:06:28,299 --> 01:06:26,089
one way or the the other cause it

1438
01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:28,309
doesn't put a chicken in everybody's pot

1439
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,940
and that it doesn't do much to affect

1440
01:06:37,089 --> 01:06:34,160
your lives and if it did affect it in

1441
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,099
their lives it probably would you know

1442
01:06:40,479 --> 01:06:38,960
like circumvent their religious beliefs

1443
01:06:43,420 --> 01:06:40,489
and everything that they've been told

1444
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:43,430
since the childhood it's true which

1445
01:06:50,229 --> 01:06:47,210
turns out would not be true for sure yet

1446
01:06:52,989 --> 01:06:50,239
Tim I'll I'll let you would throw in a

1447
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:52,999
few questions here well I thought that

1448
01:07:01,660 --> 01:06:57,650
you know his comment about the the

1449
01:07:05,019 --> 01:07:01,670
government in the military running into

1450
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:05,029
the whole religious aspect of you know

1451
01:07:11,229 --> 01:07:07,880
UFOs especially because it wasn't that

1452
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,239
long ago Tim that was a something we had

1453
01:07:19,529 --> 01:07:14,480
on the show that mentioned that even up

1454
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:19,539
to now that there is a resistance to

1455
01:07:24,370 --> 01:07:22,730
investigating UFOs because so many

1456
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:24,380
people in the government and military

1457
01:07:31,269 --> 01:07:28,880
are very hardcore religious and think

1458
01:07:33,339 --> 01:07:31,279
that looking into this type of stuff

1459
01:07:36,339 --> 01:07:33,349
somehow violates the Bible or their

1460
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:36,349
religious beliefs also it will it will

1461
01:07:43,749 --> 01:07:40,730
release a Satan onto the earth as a as

1462
01:07:54,849 --> 01:07:43,759
if he hasn't been strolling a log as it

1463
01:07:58,180 --> 01:07:54,859
is for one moment if you know the world

1464
01:08:00,609 --> 01:07:58,190
let's say the Western world and told the

1465
01:08:02,380 --> 01:08:00,619
entire world the military troll that

1466
01:08:04,329 --> 01:08:02,390
we've had we know all this stuff they've

1467
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:04,339
been coming here they created us we

1468
01:08:09,310 --> 01:08:05,690
would have it in

1469
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:09,320
evil past an unimaginable future then it

1470
01:08:16,450 --> 01:08:11,450
would need a most socially disruptive

1471
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:16,460
thing to happen to us since probably

1472
01:08:24,310 --> 01:08:22,370
since Christ died on the cross yeah it

1473
01:08:27,850 --> 01:08:24,320
would be it would be horrible because

1474
01:08:30,910 --> 01:08:27,860
then oh wait so now you people are

1475
01:08:35,710 --> 01:08:30,920
telling us that our God is it good an

1476
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:35,720
our God is it right that this is God it

1477
01:08:41,140 --> 01:08:38,930
wouldn't go over real well our culture

1478
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:41,150
for the most the Western world exists in

1479
01:08:46,330 --> 01:08:44,180
the concept of domestic tranquillity and

1480
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:46,340
that's how they care about that you pay

1481
01:08:51,940 --> 01:08:49,790
your damn check every April 15th you

1482
01:08:53,620 --> 01:08:51,950
write that check or you go to jail

1483
01:08:55,150 --> 01:08:53,630
there's only and if suddenly we

1484
01:08:56,860 --> 01:08:55,160
discovered the government can't really

1485
01:08:58,690 --> 01:08:56,870
protect us against this and they've been

1486
01:09:03,010 --> 01:08:58,700
lying to us that we're not who we think

1487
01:09:05,890 --> 01:09:03,020
we are then everything changes you don't

1488
01:09:08,260 --> 01:09:05,900
look at them as God anymore all right

1489
01:09:09,580 --> 01:09:08,270
gentlemen we're coming up rapidly to the

1490
01:09:12,250 --> 01:09:09,590
end of the program we've got about two

1491
01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:12,260
minutes left so a dr. Taff why don't you

1492
01:09:17,650 --> 01:09:14,900
let our audience know where they can

1493
01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:17,660
find you online your your book where

1494
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,790
they get that and maybe some hints on

1495
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:21,920
your your book that you're currently

1496
01:09:34,030 --> 01:09:29,290
write it on my website is www.pevs.com

1497
01:09:37,270 --> 01:09:34,040
is spelled ta FF like Frank Frank so

1498
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:37,280
Barry Taff net you'll find is over under

1499
01:09:43,450 --> 01:09:39,710
articles I've published on they're about

1500
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:43,460
to work my book is a deal aliens above

1501
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,170
ghosts below I don't believe it's still

1502
01:09:49,750 --> 01:09:47,600
in print it got well received it's

1503
01:09:53,130 --> 01:09:49,760
supposed to educate and inform people

1504
01:09:56,350 --> 01:09:53,140
and hopefully entertain them suddenly

1505
01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:56,360
send me a copy and we'll scan send me a

1506
01:10:01,650 --> 01:09:58,490
copy and we'll scan it and put it out

1507
01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:01,660
there we did that with Derek downing

1508
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:04,280
recently sold thousand copies of his

1509
01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:07,310
book oh yeah I do y'all have sorts of my

1510
01:10:12,190 --> 01:10:08,840
publisher about that if I can do that

1511
01:10:13,930 --> 01:10:12,200
but anyway in my next book I can't

1512
01:10:15,820 --> 01:10:13,940
discuss it too much detail other than

1513
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,830
the fact that it's going to be far more

1514
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:17,360
controversial as create a lot of

1515
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:19,490
frustration anxiety

1516
01:10:25,660 --> 01:10:23,390
it's gonna cause kind of a generalized I

1517
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:25,670
guess worry about this stuff's getting

1518
01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:29,150
too real right Tim we got it we got a

1519
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:32,300
minute left all right well we want to

1520
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:34,850
announce the availability of our book in

1521
01:10:40,030 --> 01:10:37,130
just a couple of days alien strongholds

1522
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:40,040
on earth where you can go and I have a

1523
01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:42,170
UFO encounter if you want to and

1524
01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:44,630
hopefully stay away from the bad guys

1525
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:46,670
and find yourself a couple of cuddly

1526
01:10:52,330 --> 01:10:49,270
little et's to get involved with right

1527
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:52,340
and don't forget our YouTube channel mr.

1528
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:55,250
UFOs a secret files where you can see

1529
01:11:02,980 --> 01:11:00,400
all this and a glorious a video and

1530
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:02,990
animated form thanks to Peter Bernard

1531
01:11:07,870 --> 01:11:04,850
and good night everybody Barry thank you

1532
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:07,880
for being on with us and we'll talk to

1533
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:10,880
you soon and Tina our producer

1534
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:19,010
you've been listening to exploring the

1535
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:22,170
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1536
01:11:27,919 --> 01:11:25,650
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1537
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:27,929
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1538
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:30,480
cosmos in search of the truly bizarre

1539
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:33,780
and totally unexplained with you as

1540
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:37,140
their combined Thursday nights at 7:00

1541
01:11:43,609 --> 01:11:41,130
p.m. Pacific 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K

1542
01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:43,619
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1543
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:46,230
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1544
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:49,530
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1545
01:11:55,459 --> 01:11:52,380
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1546
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